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MARXISM by Wolverinebabe MARXISM by Wolverinebabe
I had this on my other account, but I decided to move all of my controversial stuff to this one so that people would focus more on my art. If this looks familiar, don't be surprised. I am also pasting the original artist comments from there:

Just so you know: I hate Marxism with a burning passion. Expect to get a throughly researched artist comment up your keester.

Since too many anti-marxist/communist/socialist stuff on DA simply states "I hate communism" or "Socialism sucks LOL", I felt I could at least do something that attempted to explain why there is so much hate for this certain political ideology. Along with such anti-Marxists, I have seen pro-Marxists claim that those who hate communism/whatever else are arrogant, ignorant, and fail to understand the "wisdom" of Karl Marx.

Me? Arrogant? I humbly volunteer to support the wonderful republic that is America, and I had to suffer the absence of my parents when they served overseas for said country. If anything, my "arrogance" is merely my love for what republic can do that Marxism never could.

Me? Ignorant? I have a 3.4 GPA, a post high school reading comprehension, and I am an avid researcher and self-proclaimed amateur theologian. I do my best to look into things before I form an opinion, and I'm always sure to back them up with reliable facts.

Me? Failing to see the mighty wisdom of Karl Marx?


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWell that's why I made this stamp here.

Definition of Marxism (from here) : [link]

the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

Communism ([link]) :

a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

And finally, Socialism ([link]) :

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Maybe I should have put Socialism before Communism, since that's how the order works, but whatever.

Marxist theory basically states that the bourgeoisie- the minorty, wealthy ruling class- are constantly warring with the poorer majority, the proletariat; in the end, a revolution will rise that will end up with a classless society where everyone shares everything, and we all live happily ever after. A society that is socialist is also believed to end up becoming a communist state, which is totally class-free.

There is also the fact Karl Marx denounced many ideas based off the ideology he and his partner, Friedrich Engels, had created.

And that's the whole problem.

Although the idea of Classical Marxism, I admit, sounds like an awesome way to create Utopia, it is a failed theory. It has never worked, and it simply does not fit well within society and it's people.

Let's take a look at history, shall we?

Believe or not, the failure of Marxist-based theories was proven centuries before it's creation, back in 1623. One problem pilgrims faced in the New World was crop failure, partly caused by lazy farmers. Originally, everyone shared the land in communal farming, and they had to share the benefit of the crops whether they worked or not. Of course, everyone would put off farming duties a bit too often, thinking that someone else would take care of it. Whoops, that ended up in a crop failure! After two years of crop failure, private plots of land were divided among the settlers, and whatever you reaped was yours; no excuses. (Here's proof: [link] [link] [link] )

Then there's the USSR. Doesn't take a historian to know that it was a miserable place. People were starving, dying, and faced persecution under their government; hell, Stalin killed more people than Hiter, but it's the Nazi nutjob that gets all the credit for being a huge murderer. And their space program? It was inhumane at best, and had limited funds because of a stalemate economy. Why do you think Americans landed on the Moon first?

Now let's look at present day countries, such as China (though it is technically a dictatorship that switched to capitialism before the economy collasped), Vietnam, and North Korea.

Laugh with me if you want. People are starving, living in horrible conditions, and living under strict laws, all because Classical Marxism has the ability to be morphed by man to become a twisted, ugly, and haunting political ideology.

Democracy based theories work; the other stuff...not so much. Get used to it.

P.S.-John Locke is your friend; read his stuff plz.

P.P.S. Call me out if I am inaccurate about anything, or if something needs to be clearer; I will happily fix it or get into more detail.

*EDIT* A friend pointed out to me that America is a republic, not a democracy; I think it's the same difference, but since technicalities are needed, I changed it anyway.
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Guyverman Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014
Communism was based on something that can only be achieved in illusions.
badassmcawesome Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014
I get this is an old post, but you are in fact ignorant. Of all the countries you've mentioned not one had ever at any point been socialist or communist, every one has been a dictatorship.

This needs fixed : "Laugh with me if you want. People are starving, living in horrible conditions, and living under strict laws, all because Classical Marxism has the ability to be morphed by man to become a twisted, ugly, and haunting political ideology."

Currently accurate:
Laugh with me if you want. People are starving, living in horrible conditions, and living under strict laws, all because AMERICAN DEMOCRACY has the ability to be morphed by man to become a twisted, ugly, and haunting political ideology.
Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
KGB-101 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
**This comment doesn't pertain to Marxism** 

I want to talk about the Space program of the USSR. 

"And their space program? It was inhumane at best, and had limited funds because of a stalemate economy. Why do you think Americans landed on the Moon first? " 

While this is true. The USSR accomplished way more. My list: 

Soviet Accomplishments: 
March 19, 1934 - First Man into Space, USSR 
March 6, 1937 - First Woman into Space, USSR 
October 7, 1957 - First Satellite into Space, USSR 
November 7, 1957 - First Dog into Space, USSR 
September 14, 1959 - First man-made object on the moon (Luna 2), USSR 

United States Accomplishments: 
July 20, 1969 - First manned mission to the Moon, United States 

Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oye, mate.
You've forget one fact...
If red ideology so good, then why countries of Warsaw pact joined to that bloc by force of soviet bayonets and NATO nations joined to their bloc voluntary?
Song-of-Armadyl Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
Yes, maybe Marxism had some flaws. Remember that Marx was a philosopher, not a politician. His ideas have a basis, however - a basis that the workers, who support a country's entire economy on their backs, deserve better treatment than the poverty that even in first-world countries they still endure today. Can we not take the basic foundations of Marxism, its core principles, and build on them to form a working ideal? That's the entire basis behind Socialist Democracy, which is a system in place in a number of thriving Scandinavian countries at the moment - many of which have among the highest living standards in the world.
MrAustin390 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
There's as little difference between Communism and Socialism as there is between Community and Society.
KGB-101 Featured By Owner May 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, Socialism is a slight venation of Communism. They are close, but not the "same" They uphold the same values and beliefs.
StormTSmith Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student Writer
•The Great Recession of 2007
•The Recession of 1980
•The Recession of 1973
•The Recession of 1958 - 1961
•The Recession of 1945
•The Great Depression of 1929 - 1942 including the Recession of 1937
•The Recession of 1918 - 1921
•The Recession of 1913
•The Panic of 1910
•The Panic of 1907
•The Panic of 1896
•The Panic of 1893
•The Long Depression of 1873 - 1885: Includes the Panic of 1873 and Recession of 1882
•The Panic of 1857
•The Panic of 1837 followed by the Depression of 1839
•The Recession of 1825 - 1826
•The Recessions of 1822 - 1823
•The Depression of 1815 - 1821
•The Depression of 1807
•The Recession of 1802
•The Panic of 1797

How's Laissez Faire's record holding up?

Your move.

HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
I'll make a move :)

Economic downturn is a natural and healthy for an economy all be it a painful one. A good analogy is a Forest fire. As a forest grows, brush, dead plant matter builds up on the forest floor, As an economy grows during good times inefficiencies build up, obsolete, or wasteful business and production methods build up. A forest fire happens and burns brush and dead plant matter, so it can go back into the soil and grow new tree's and plants and stuff. In the economy an economic downturn forces business to be more efficient, kills inefficient and obsolete businesses, industries, and practices. The resources that would have been wasted can then go to new business and opportunities. Downturns reorganize and make the economy more efficient in the long run.

Most Panics, Recessions and Depressions (whatever you want to call it) don't last more than 2, or 3 years. And after almost every one of these downturns the economy was stronger, wealthier, new technologies developed, and living standards increased, the markets marched on. If these crashes truly made things worse, don't you think after the 200 years of them you mentioned we'd be living worse, without our electrical lighting and appliances, running water, cars, airplanes, major medical advancements, increasing life expectancies, industrial farming methods, telephones, cellphones, personal computers, the Internet, and the host of other life improving technologies in the 200 years.

There are some notable exceptions like the Long Depression and Great Depression which have been debated. For the Long Depression many economist aren't sure if we should even consider that period a depression. Living standards still continued to rise considerably during that period. Some reasons believed why it appeared to last so long is the methods for measuring the economy at the time were becoming antiquated and weren't accounting for major changes in the economy. For instance huge price drops were an indicator of an economic downturn, but some would argue that new industrial production allowed for more cheaply made goods and new economic equilibrium. As to the Great Depression after the 1929 crash the economy was well on the way to recovery unemployment was steadily climbing down. What happened is a year and half later Herbert Hoover signed the moot-Hawley tariff into law which lead to trade wars and destroyed American exporters, causing another crash, and making the depression worse than when it started. Then when FDR took office he introduced new laws that attempted to control and cartel various industries and greatly increased economic uncertainty and causing more crashes. We didn't really get out of the Depression until after WWII and the post war crash when much of the New Deal legislation was repealed and scaled back.
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