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I had this on my other account, but I decided to move all of my controversial stuff to this one so that people would focus more on my art. If this looks familiar, don't be surprised. I am also pasting the original artist comments from there:

Just so you know: I hate Marxism with a burning passion. Expect to get a throughly researched artist comment up your keester.

Since too many anti-marxist/communist/socialist stuff on DA simply states "I hate communism" or "Socialism sucks LOL", I felt I could at least do something that attempted to explain why there is so much hate for this certain political ideology. Along with such anti-Marxists, I have seen pro-Marxists claim that those who hate communism/whatever else are arrogant, ignorant, and fail to understand the "wisdom" of Karl Marx.

Me? Arrogant? I humbly volunteer to support the wonderful republic that is America, and I had to suffer the absence of my parents when they served overseas for said country. If anything, my "arrogance" is merely my love for what republic can do that Marxism never could.

Me? Ignorant? I have a 3.4 GPA, a post high school reading comprehension, and I am an avid researcher and self-proclaimed amateur theologian. I do my best to look into things before I form an opinion, and I'm always sure to back them up with reliable facts.

Me? Failing to see the mighty wisdom of Karl Marx?

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWell that's why I made this stamp here.

Definition of Marxism (from here) : [link]

the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

Communism ([link]) :

a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively


And finally, Socialism ([link]) :

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


Maybe I should have put Socialism before Communism, since that's how the order works, but whatever.

Marxist theory basically states that the bourgeoisie- the minorty, wealthy ruling class- are constantly warring with the poorer majority, the proletariat; in the end, a revolution will rise that will end up with a classless society where everyone shares everything, and we all live happily ever after. A society that is socialist is also believed to end up becoming a communist state, which is totally class-free.

There is also the fact Karl Marx denounced many ideas based off the ideology he and his partner, Friedrich Engels, had created.

And that's the whole problem.

Although the idea of Classical Marxism, I admit, sounds like an awesome way to create Utopia, it is a failed theory. It has never worked, and it simply does not fit well within society and it's people.

Let's take a look at history, shall we?

Believe or not, the failure of Marxist-based theories was proven centuries before it's creation, back in 1623. One problem pilgrims faced in the New World was crop failure, partly caused by lazy farmers. Originally, everyone shared the land in communal farming, and they had to share the benefit of the crops whether they worked or not. Of course, everyone would put off farming duties a bit too often, thinking that someone else would take care of it. Whoops, that ended up in a crop failure! After two years of crop failure, private plots of land were divided among the settlers, and whatever you reaped was yours; no excuses. (Here's proof: [link] [link] [link] )

Then there's the USSR. Doesn't take a historian to know that it was a miserable place. People were starving, dying, and faced persecution under their government; hell, Stalin killed more people than Hiter, but it's the Nazi nutjob that gets all the credit for being a huge murderer. And their space program? It was inhumane at best, and had limited funds because of a stalemate economy. Why do you think Americans landed on the Moon first?

Now let's look at present day countries, such as China (though it is technically a dictatorship that switched to capitialism before the economy collasped), Vietnam, and North Korea.

Laugh with me if you want. People are starving, living in horrible conditions, and living under strict laws, all because Classical Marxism has the ability to be morphed by man to become a twisted, ugly, and haunting political ideology.

Democracy based theories work; the other stuff...not so much. Get used to it.

P.S.-John Locke is your friend; read his stuff plz.

P.P.S. Call me out if I am inaccurate about anything, or if something needs to be clearer; I will happily fix it or get into more detail.


*EDIT* A friend pointed out to me that America is a republic, not a democracy; I think it's the same difference, but since technicalities are needed, I changed it anyway.
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Guyverman Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014
Communism was based on something that can only be achieved in illusions.
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The-Conquerors Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Damn straight. ~ C
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badassmcawesome Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014
I get this is an old post, but you are in fact ignorant. Of all the countries you've mentioned not one had ever at any point been socialist or communist, every one has been a dictatorship.


This needs fixed : "Laugh with me if you want. People are starving, living in horrible conditions, and living under strict laws, all because Classical Marxism has the ability to be morphed by man to become a twisted, ugly, and haunting political ideology."


Currently accurate:
Laugh with me if you want. People are starving, living in horrible conditions, and living under strict laws, all because AMERICAN DEMOCRACY has the ability to be morphed by man to become a twisted, ugly, and haunting political ideology.
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Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Aye-aye.
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KGB-101 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
**This comment doesn't pertain to Marxism** 

I want to talk about the Space program of the USSR. 

"And their space program? It was inhumane at best, and had limited funds because of a stalemate economy. Why do you think Americans landed on the Moon first? " 

While this is true. The USSR accomplished way more. My list: 

Soviet Accomplishments: 
March 19, 1934 - First Man into Space, USSR 
March 6, 1937 - First Woman into Space, USSR 
October 7, 1957 - First Satellite into Space, USSR 
November 7, 1957 - First Dog into Space, USSR 
September 14, 1959 - First man-made object on the moon (Luna 2), USSR 

United States Accomplishments: 
July 20, 1969 - First manned mission to the Moon, United States 



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Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oye, mate.
You've forget one fact...
If red ideology so good, then why countries of Warsaw pact joined to that bloc by force of soviet bayonets and NATO nations joined to their bloc voluntary?
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Song-of-Sunlight Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
Yes, maybe Marxism had some flaws. Remember that Marx was a philosopher, not a politician. His ideas have a basis, however - a basis that the workers, who support a country's entire economy on their backs, deserve better treatment than the poverty that even in first-world countries they still endure today. Can we not take the basic foundations of Marxism, its core principles, and build on them to form a working ideal? That's the entire basis behind Socialist Democracy, which is a system in place in a number of thriving Scandinavian countries at the moment - many of which have among the highest living standards in the world.
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MrAustin390 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
There's as little difference between Communism and Socialism as there is between Community and Society.
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KGB-101 Featured By Owner May 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, Socialism is a slight venation of Communism. They are close, but not the "same" They uphold the same values and beliefs.
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StormTSmith Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Student Writer
•The Great Recession of 2007
•The Recession of 1980
•The Recession of 1973
•The Recession of 1958 - 1961
•The Recession of 1945
•The Great Depression of 1929 - 1942 including the Recession of 1937
•The Recession of 1918 - 1921
•The Recession of 1913
•The Panic of 1910
•The Panic of 1907
•The Panic of 1896
•The Panic of 1893
•The Long Depression of 1873 - 1885: Includes the Panic of 1873 and Recession of 1882
•The Panic of 1857
•The Panic of 1837 followed by the Depression of 1839
•The Recession of 1825 - 1826
•The Recessions of 1822 - 1823
•The Depression of 1815 - 1821
•The Depression of 1807
•The Recession of 1802
•The Panic of 1797

How's Laissez Faire's record holding up?

Your move.

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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
I'll make a move :)

Economic downturn is a natural and healthy for an economy all be it a painful one. A good analogy is a Forest fire. As a forest grows, brush, dead plant matter builds up on the forest floor, As an economy grows during good times inefficiencies build up, obsolete, or wasteful business and production methods build up. A forest fire happens and burns brush and dead plant matter, so it can go back into the soil and grow new tree's and plants and stuff. In the economy an economic downturn forces business to be more efficient, kills inefficient and obsolete businesses, industries, and practices. The resources that would have been wasted can then go to new business and opportunities. Downturns reorganize and make the economy more efficient in the long run.

Most Panics, Recessions and Depressions (whatever you want to call it) don't last more than 2, or 3 years. And after almost every one of these downturns the economy was stronger, wealthier, new technologies developed, and living standards increased, the markets marched on. If these crashes truly made things worse, don't you think after the 200 years of them you mentioned we'd be living worse, without our electrical lighting and appliances, running water, cars, airplanes, major medical advancements, increasing life expectancies, industrial farming methods, telephones, cellphones, personal computers, the Internet, and the host of other life improving technologies in the 200 years.

There are some notable exceptions like the Long Depression and Great Depression which have been debated. For the Long Depression many economist aren't sure if we should even consider that period a depression. Living standards still continued to rise considerably during that period. Some reasons believed why it appeared to last so long is the methods for measuring the economy at the time were becoming antiquated and weren't accounting for major changes in the economy. For instance huge price drops were an indicator of an economic downturn, but some would argue that new industrial production allowed for more cheaply made goods and new economic equilibrium. As to the Great Depression after the 1929 crash the economy was well on the way to recovery unemployment was steadily climbing down. What happened is a year and half later Herbert Hoover signed the moot-Hawley tariff into law which lead to trade wars and destroyed American exporters, causing another crash, and making the depression worse than when it started. Then when FDR took office he introduced new laws that attempted to control and cartel various industries and greatly increased economic uncertainty and causing more crashes. We didn't really get out of the Depression until after WWII and the post war crash when much of the New Deal legislation was repealed and scaled back.
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Itachi-Spirit-w0lf Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Student Artisan Crafter
Only if it they are using a Lasses Faire's system. Ever hear of controlled capitalism?
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Itachi-Spirit-w0lf Featured By Owner May 11, 2013  Student Artisan Crafter
Correction to that: bridled capitalism.
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LeRevolutionnaire Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
good one storm!! thanks! :)
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eses81 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012
"Me? Ignorant? I have a 3.4 GPA, a post high school reading comprehension, and I am an avid researcher and self-proclaimed amateur theologian. I do my best to look into things before I form an opinion, and I'm always sure to back them up with reliable facts."

No offence, but that proves absolutely nothing. I don't care what your grades are; I care what your ideas are and how well you can defend them. I would remove that statement as it looks really, really, really puerile.

Can I also point out that, whilst I totally agree with you about Marxism-Leninism being a total socio-economic catastrophe for all involved, Marx really observed the 'problems' rather than advocated any concrete 'solutions'. There's still much that's salvageable in his basic observations (the materialist conception of history, surplus labour theory of value etc.) that one can take a look out without need to embrace the theory underlining the development of a Marxist 'system'. I'll probably get shouted down in a shriek of childish teabagger rhetoric for even suggesting that, but meh.
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Dark-Oak-Trails Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The thing is... Karl Marx predicted a stage theory which was determined by economic revolution of the majority which hasn't taken place. He wasn't advocating it to happen, he just predicted this would happen over time.
All past and current 'communist' are not truly communist. Russia being the most famous example was still under the Tsar in a feudal society, then a revolution was forced by a minority into socialism (skipping the capitalist stage completely) and so entered the likes of Leninism and Stalinism. To claim they were Marxist/communist is pretty damned stupid to be honest, they took the ideal, changed it to suit themselves and forced it to happen. Not the stage theory at all.
Again, this pattern is evident in other 'communist' states, they are created by the elite (Even if it seems the majority/proletariat wanted it, the cold war was what really brought on 'communism' in satellite countries - by the elite) and result in places like China, which as you rightly said is more of a dictatorship (as was Russia.) that has back stepped to capatilism.

Now, the whole 'lazy part' is more about human nature. If you don't think humans can work communally, then yes, communism will seem impossible, but if you do... Well, clearly that discredits what you just said. Personally I think it is possible. Ever heard of a Kibbutz? Kinda like micro-communism. The work is shared, and divided between the community, and they have not experienced 'mass laziness' (Well, from foreign volunteers perhaps, but not from the people who live there) or anything of the sort and have functioned for quite a number of years.

I don't think your ignorant, you have many valid points, but they don't take into account stage theory, which is a bit of a deal breaker when looking at communism. Stage theory = Marxism.
Oh, and for the love of god please don't try and claim grades = intelligence/awareness! Any idiot can parrot back information, I've known people as dumb as planks to get A*s and people who are truly smart to get Ds. Grades show ability to deal with exam/essay technique and parroting skills. Sorry, this is just a little issue I have and is a bit off topic. I'm not calling you stupid here, but it just really gets to me ^.^ Oh, and if you are wondering, I'm not sure of my grade point average, since here in England we don't really have them, but I average and A/A* and B when I don't really listen in class/do the work . Doesn't mean I'm smart though, just means I'm good at exam technique.

I am a supporter of true Marxism, the stage theory. I don't believe true Marxism has happened or is happening, nor do I think it will take place in this life time. I still support the idea, and believe if people stopped accrediting the past 'false communism' to Marxist stage theory one day we will reach socialism (Dictatorship of the proletariat) and eventually communism.

But hey, that's just my opinion, I'm not going to passively-aggressively insist I'm right. Everyone has the right to their opinions (But I'll respect the well-researched ones, like yours, more than blind ones)
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HNBBTF Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
So heard you mentioned the Kibbutz and I looked it up. The Kibbutz has been in decline for some time now. It originally worked to produce agrarian products, but as Israel became more urban and industrialized it became more industrialized this has lead to increased privatization though and the once self sufficient Kibbutz has become increasingly more reliant on the Israeli government.

An important thing to note is the example you mentioned is like you said micro. It's much easier for a group that is culturally, religiously, similar that speaks the same language to work together for commune. It helps even more when everyone knows each other, can relate, trust each other and everyones a cousin XD. In all seriousness the Kibbutz strongly demanded conformity. It's much harder to apply such a system on a larger and more diverse society where you have millions of strangers who don't know, or care much for each other. In a world of multiple groups of cultures, languages, and religions many of which hate each other bringing them together in a sense of global community is quite a task. Although Capitalism has created no sense of global community it has managed to foster greater peace, cooperation, and prosperity around the world. The computers were typing one would not be possible without this global cooperation.
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Guyverman Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2012
Laos is a communist nation still.
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012
In name, but it has a market economy with barely any collectivised property so it's capitalist.
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Daniel-SG Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Communisim and Socalisim are ideas that sound good on paper, but don't work in real life. All that Communisim has lead to is death and misery for the people they claim to be fighting for. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge are a good example. They claimed to be fighting for the "common people" to topple the King and create a "Year Zero" utopia, but when they took power they ended up being responisble for more deaths than the Cambodian king ever was.
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Sonikkubumu Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Marxism failed because Marx believed that if a new system were to start, they would put in a firm government then over time they would give the country back to the workers whilst Bakunin believed that state should be abolished straight away and that power should be given to everyone and people should be self organized.

the reason why communism failed was because there was still an authoritarian regime when many whilst most people in Communist countries wanted to share power. This is why i am a social anarchist because I believe that if someone says they are for the workers and the power should be given to the people then whats the point in having government at all.
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Daniel-SG Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I believe a government is needed to help keep people in line. Maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist, but I think human nature is one of chaos, and requires some semblance of order (in this case, goverment providing the order with laws).

Within reason of course. A government's primary purpose should be to protect it's citizens, not dominate them. That's why people first formed governments after all.

As for Social Anarchism, I can't say I really agree (I consider myself a Libertarian on the conservative side, and even that's being VERY generous), but you are entitled to your own opinion. I don't agree with it, but I respect it (and I suppose I can see why you believe in it. It is a nice idea after all, I just don't see in working).
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Sonikkubumu Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do agree, it is more suited to a european culture than an american one, but even then people are still divide through beliefs as well, and if anarchism was going to work everyone would have to agree to it. So I just try to protest to the most anarchist/socialist level we can get it to.
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ANATOLESTING Featured By Owner May 17, 2012
Marxism and communism are dumb and unproductive. At least in my country, la France, Communists and Marxists are tamed (or at least to minority for causes troubles), and Socialistes are wealth at point of don't be too different of people of droite.
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fellow-traveller Featured By Owner May 8, 2012
I thought Marxism is nothing more than an economic policy...of which weighting more on the economy and welfare of a state/region/country? o3o Only people of politics used it as one of its foundation to bring up their political ideology...
But I don't venture political science...so this is as far as I understand about it...
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bttlrp Featured By Owner May 4, 2012
Capitalism has completely, utterly, disastrously failed. All first world prosperity comes as a parasitic leech on third world slave labour; a mad, extreme form of imperialism, the likes of which Lenin could never have dreamt. Attacking a crude form of Stalinism is missing the point. You think Marxism is "an awesome way to create Utopia"?

I'd advise doing some actual reading, instead of attacking a straw man of your own invention.

If you did, you'd find that at no point throughout his entire career did Marx ever describe in detail what Communist society ought to be like. Added to this, he was a radical democrat who was horrified by all forms of totalitarianism. Marxism is not about describing some ideal "state" but charting the evolution of history and examining the antagonisms inherent in the existing order.

"The emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves - the struggle for the emancipation of the working classes means not a struggle for class privileges and monopolies, but for equal rights and duties, and the abolition of all class rule."

The USSR/China/Any other dictatorships you care to name has nothing whatsoever to do with Marxism. Stop watching TV and start reading.
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Itachi-Spirit-w0lf Featured By Owner May 11, 2013  Student Artisan Crafter
I respectfully disagree. I think it depends on what form your talking about. Such as Laissez Faire or Crony Capitalism system, that would be a failure of capitalism because it creates a monopoly so twisted up in itself it collapses. Bridled Capitalism (which I think its creator would agree with) has common sense regulation but allows evolution to take place and still gives people a choice in what they want. I also disagree with the idea true capitalism breeds extreme imperialism. I'd say that's more more extreme crony capitalism than actual capitalism- bridled or Laissez Faire.

I have read about Carl Marx, briefly I admit, he wanted a classless society. The problem with that, it's impossible because we're animals and we're based on some sort of hierarchy which in turn is based on skills, intelligence, or strength. Luckily, it's also in our nature to innovate for those less unfortunate than ourselves.

Just putting my two cents out there
BTW, I still LOVE your avatar! I don't know why, it's just so awesome.
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Dark-Oak-Trails Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Very true. Stage theory people, why does everyone seemed to be ignorant of it. Hmph.
"Stop watching TV and start reading." - Marx claimed "Religion is the opium of the masses/people" Though in todays society, I'd say media has replaced religion in that particular phrase ;)
Sorry, I just had t respond to you, as I was worried as I scrolled down after writing my piece seeing all the anti-Marxist (Somewhat ignorant) comments. Yours was the first to actually point out stage theory :')
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012
Right on sister! I agree with your analogy, many Marxists since Marx have pointed to the role of the media in propagating capitalist ideology instead of religion :)
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GhostlyToaster Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2012  Student Writer
The whole thing of people starving, living in horrible conditions and living under strict laws is true in pretty much all capitalist countries. That's all I'm saying, I'm not criticising anything else, but capitalism does that, and is the prevalent ideology of the world. Hmm....
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Pocket-fulla-shells Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Even the theory of Communism is shit because it oppresses human rights as a default
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bttlrp Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012
No. Just, no.
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tylero79 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012  Student General Artist
All communist governments, past and present, are not communist. They claim to be, but barely follow true communist belief. They exploit people and oppress them to keep their own power. That is not true communism. But every system is flawed so long as humans run them.
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kongming234 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2012
You know marxism hasn't been installed to any country properly. What you are getting mixed up with is Stalinsm, Lenninism and Maoism, all of them not marxist-communist because:
1. Stalinism takes on a hierarchy - marxism does not
2. Lenninsm could be established in a country which had not passed through the full development of industrial capitalism. Marx viewed the socialist revolution as arising out of the industrial proletariat
3. Maoism is anti revolutionary - Marxism is pro-revolutionary

So look at the facts before you start criticising
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Endivie11 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2012
I would consider myself a communist since I like and support the ideal of communism. But real political communism never happened, because itīs always ruined by the people. And yes, there were a lot of crimes that happened because of some so called "communist"(everyone can call himself a communist, even if they arenīt)
The theory is good but no one can force an ideology on a state. And this is why communism was almost always dictatorship(which sucks)
But I donīt have anything against Marx or Lenin, because they helped the people back then.
Thatīs just my opinion.
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SoSugoi Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2012  Professional Filmographer
The comments here are just hilarious. I'll make a bet that most of this comments here are by angry 13 year olds who want to be rebellious, and have no worldly idea the actual history behind what they're talking about. I don't think modern capitalism is the right way myself (Mixed Economy pl0xrz), but I'd still rather have it than the economies the Communist countries had.

Marxism, by itself, I honestly don't have that much of a problem with. It is Marxism-Leninism that I loathe with a fiery passion. Marxism is a failed, but by itself relatively harmless ideology. Marxism-Leninism, on the other hand, was (and still is) the justification for some of the most horrifying and overlooked crimes against humanity the world has seen.

And to all the Communists out there saying "omg but china nd ussr weent commuist 111!!!" NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Communism was their *goal*, but they themselves weren't Communist. Most of us who can form an argument against it are aware of that - we can still detest the crimes committed in attempt to reach that goal.
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Itachi-Spirit-w0lf Featured By Owner May 11, 2013  Student Artisan Crafter
I actually agree with this. Today's capitalism is crony capitalism, a complete failure.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012
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You must be a liberal.
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SoSugoi Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Oh my god, I'm just.... oh god. I'm so honored to finally get a reply from you! I'm big, uh, fan of your work.
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DragonQuestWes Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012
You're a fan of my work?
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I'm absolutely flattered.
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SoSugoi Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Yes. You're my favorite Tart here on DA. It is an honor, sir.
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Alkarah Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
let me enlighten you, ever-so-patriotic american.
i live in china. i've learnt its history. i see the local pple everyday.
people are starving everywhere, not just china. take a look around in any country and you will see pple starving.
i don't knw about ur definition of horrible, but the pple in china hve enough to eat. the government will provide you land if ur going too poor.
strict laws, yes. tht's what keeps pple in check, even though it doesnt sound/seem all tht good.
you dont see pple running around with guns in china killing pple, do you? no.
democracy is a good political idea, it might work better than the others, but others work just fine.

also ur statement tht you 'hate marxism with a burning passion' makes ur argument much less solid.
i want to let you knw tht a 3.4 GPA isn't all tht great either :/
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steinhakasei Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2012
Haha excellent argument comrade. :)
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Alkarah Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
not to mention tht the 'oh-so-amazing' government is currently bankrupt and in debt to mostly china and japan =.=
AND THE SOPA/PIPA! WTF! DXX
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steinhakasei Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2012
Haha. They can't even stop fighting amongst themselves.
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77Edgar77 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2011
Yeah 1 percent of people in this country own about 40 percent of all the wealth , now that is a system that its working great, huh ? Typical brainwash idiot.
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LaCostel Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2011
Автор, я не знаю как ты будешь переводить этот текст - но лучше сделай это быстрее. СССР, он же USSR, как вы американцы его называете, был идеальнейшим примером единства и равенства классов. Пример по Сталину - он жил в двухэтажном деревянном дачном доме, который разваливался в труху. Он жил как все. СССР - это была утопия. Что бы ты мне тут не говорил .Мне плевать на твоё левое образование, мне плевать на твои взгляды - 50% Политиков мира придерживаются Карла Маркса.
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garrenn Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011
I accidentally put this in my reportables section of my favorites. I meant to put it in my random favorites and I fixed it. If you see where I put it in the reportables it was an accident. I totally agree with this by the way. My idiot brother in law acted like he was a Marxist without even knowing a damned thing about it.
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AmRevAtel Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2011  Student General Artist
Socialism isa democracy-based theory. Considering the economic turmoil the entire capitalist sphere is facing, while communist countries continue to grow (very much despite what capitalist "journalism" would insist), I think Marxism is holding its own quite well.
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metal-commie Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2011
I'll just leave this quote here.


"They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?"
~Fidel Castro
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